# A riddle that has been killing me the whole day

So I'm walking around in London and found the following number riddle. The rules say, that what ever pattern you find, must be true for the rows as well as the columns. The answer in level 1 is for example 33 since it follows a+b+2=c. Meaning the third block always is the sum of the two first ones plus two, both in the columns and the rows.

I just can't figure out level 5, please help me get some sleep ## 5 Answers

The answer is:

0

The formula is:

c = a²+(b-10)*a

Examples:

16 = 4² +(10-10)*4,
-6 = 1² + (3-10)*1,
0 = (-20)² + (30-10)*(-20),
30 = 10²-(3-10)*10,
-20=4²+(1-10)*4

• Awesome, thanks a lot! Now I can sleep again – Viktor Jeppesen Oct 25 '18 at 14:06
• Out of interest, hos did you find the solution – Viktor Jeppesen Oct 25 '18 at 14:07
• It was like the eigth or ninth idea I had. The 16 looked suspiciously like 4², so I just had to cancel the 10. I also had the gut feeling to square the 10. The 10, 3, 30 was quite a help, as it invalidated lots of my earlier ideas. The 4, -1, -20 was a large red herring to me, as I tried to get to 4*(-5) or -4*5 or -25+5 or things like that a lot. I could have walked you through my thought process a bit better, but I threw away my notes. I guess you could sum it up as a combination of luck, intuition, patience and more luck. – nishuba Oct 29 '18 at 9:27

Possible answer is

90

Step-by-step breakdown for all puzzles.

Following the nomenclature (Columns a,b,c from left to right respectively):

1.

c=a+b+2
i.e. c = 16+15+2 = 33

2.

c = b * a/4
i.e. c = 5 *16/4 = 20

3.

c = a^2 - b^2
i.e. c = 12^2 - (-5)^2 = 119

4.

c = 19 - a - b
Funfact: all rows & columns sum up to 19 i.e. c = 19 - (-3) - 16 = 6

5.

c = (b-a)^2 - sqrt(a)*10
But this should not be correct, unless u take c = 2500 -10*sqrt(20)i as an answer ....
Hence, I explored methods
c = 5[mod(b,a) * (b/a)-1] - a
i.e. c = 5[mod(30,-20) * (30/-20)-1] -(-20) = 90

• I got the same in all answers but not level five seems uncorrect (which I still have not solved). The answer from the column is real number, and from the row is complex, and they dont agree – Viktor Jeppesen Oct 17 '18 at 7:14
• Edited. See if these operators are allowed :p – Kryesec Oct 17 '18 at 9:13
• The new method you describe, doesnt Seem to work with 4,1 Since it gives -9 and not -20 – Viktor Jeppesen Oct 19 '18 at 22:41

Another partial answer:

The fifth equation is NOT of the form

axy + bx + cy + d = z

For any set of constants a, b, c, d.

Because

• Nice observation, but one could just calculate the determinant of the matrix on the left hand side, and conclude, that there is not a unique solution of the desired form. – Viktor Jeppesen Oct 17 '18 at 12:18

Working from Tim C's Answer:

If there's no solution for axy + bx + cy + d = z, you could consider the fact that horizontal and vertical both equal 10 when added together with no transformations.

Using that:

a + b != c
30 + (-20) != c, 16 + (-6) != c
10 != c, 10 != c
{c ∈ ℝ, c != 10}

• I don't think my partial answer necessarily implies at ax + by != z. It requires that there be additional (higher order or more complex) terms, however, there may be some values of x and y for which those terms cancel. – Tim C Oct 23 '18 at 0:34

The answer is

12.

$$-20+30+2=12$$, and

$$16-6+2=12$$

Then:

$$-20+30+2 = 12$$

Or did I miss something?

• Welcome to Puzzling.SE! The rule has to work for all rows and columns, so unfortunately this would not work for the first column: 4 + 1 + 2 != -20 – obl Oct 19 '18 at 22:11