# Where am I? (inspired by a classic novel)

I am the hidden land
Where man may not tread but wildlife can

Here a group in full did travel
By peak twilight, by horse and paddle

The group spoke sin and thus went in
To rule over all within


Where am I?

HINT 1

Man may not tread in this place but man is not the only species in this universe

HINT 2

This place is a place of great beauty and serenity

HINT 3

Man may only enter this place if invited in

Final Hint

A fellowship also visit this place at some point in their quest.

• Could it be Jumanji, a book and a film as well? – Mea Culpa Nay Dec 8 '17 at 18:16
• Nope it's not Jumanji :) – Master Yoda Dec 8 '17 at 19:24
• Well maybe my first guess was correct afterall... Am I on the right way if I say LotR @MasterYoda? – Saeïdryl Dec 12 '17 at 9:53
• @Saeïdryl I cant say you are wrong ;) – Master Yoda Dec 12 '17 at 9:57
• @Saeïdryl Think about all of the locations the fellowship visited, take all of the hints into consideration. This may take a little more research on Tolkiens world and all of its languages/inhabitants – Master Yoda Dec 12 '17 at 10:11

Could it be :

Lothlorien

I am the hidden land

Tolkien occasionally referred to Lothlorien as 'the hidden land'

Where man may not tread but wildlife can

Man, Dwarves, orc etc. are forbidden from entering Lothlorien without the permission of the elves

Here a group in full did travel By peak twilight, by horse and paddle

If we look at the history of lothlorien, it was initially settled by Silvan elves of Nandorin descent. Some time later the Sindar elves arrived and enriched the population and culture of Lothlorien

The group spoke sin and thus went in

This was a play on words, the Sindar elves spoke Sindarin and entered into Lothlorien

To rule over all within

The Sindar elves enriched lothlorien with Sindar culture, their ruler was the Sindar lord Amdír.

• Correct! Although some of your points are a little off. I will accept your answer and update the question to make the points i was after – Master Yoda Dec 12 '17 at 13:31
• I've read the Silmarillon so long ago, I have the correct answer for the wrong reason because my knowledge of the LoTR universe is fading away :/ – Sanea Dec 12 '17 at 14:12
• Updated your answer with the points I made in my original edit – Master Yoda Dec 13 '17 at 10:14

Could it be :

Rivendell

I am the hidden land

Obviously it's an hidden place

Where man may not tread but wildlife can

Only elves are allowed here

Here a group in full did travel

One of the only moment where the fellowship of the ring was all together

By peak twilight, by horse and paddle.

Men came on horses, hobbits were on paddle once, and dwarves probably by their mountains

The group spoke sin and thus went in

They were arguing, and gandalf spoke the black language

• Don't be afraid to write another answer instead of editing yours if it's another idea! puzzling.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2937/… – Saeïdryl Dec 12 '17 at 10:47
• Very close, but there are a couple of other locations the fellowship visited either in whole and in part. – Master Yoda Dec 12 '17 at 10:48

That's (not but close)

Moria

I am the hidden land

Moria is an underground mine in the Misty Mountains

Where man may not tread but wildlife can

Dwarves' kingdom

Here a group in full did travel
By peak twilight, by horse and paddle

The fellowship of the ring came by paddle at night

The group spoke sin and thus went in

"Speak friend and enter"

To rule over all within

Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.

• Next time I'll listen to myself and answer with my first guess ! ("The group spoke sin and thus went in" was the biggest hint) – Saeïdryl Dec 12 '17 at 10:04
• I feel so bad having to write this, you are so close! Think about that line carefully, the group spoke sin and thus went in. Moria is a great guess though – Master Yoda Dec 12 '17 at 10:06
• Argh! I was 95% sure about that! I'm heartbroken... Indeed "spoke sin" can't really fit with "friend"... – Saeïdryl Dec 12 '17 at 10:08
• You got this ;) – Master Yoda Dec 12 '17 at 11:11
• Perhaps "The group spoke sin" is short for "The group spoke Sindarin", which does fit with saying "friend" in Elvish. – J. Siebeneichler Dec 12 '17 at 13:19

Possible partial answer - Going off of memory so I hope I'm remembering the book correctly.

You are in Narnia (from the series Chronicles of Narnia)

I am the hidden land
Where man may not tread but wildlife can

Narnia is a secret place where "man" does not live. It is populated by animals and fantasy creatures.

Here a group in full did travel
By peak twilight, by horse and paddle

The 4 siblings traveled in and around Narnia using various methods - not sure about the twilight reference?

The group spoke sin and thus went in
To rule over all within

They had to go into a wardrobe to reach Narnia and eventually became the rulers - from @Saeïdryl in comments: Sin could reference the children swearing to each other before crossing over into Narnia

• Hmm, my initial thought was exactly the same, but not too sure about whether it fits... – Lolgast Dec 8 '17 at 14:45
• "The group spoke sin" is maybe when they crossed together for the first time? Swearing on each others in the wardrobe? Maybe they were a little too young to swear though... And they are 4 not 3 ! – Saeïdryl Dec 8 '17 at 14:48
• @Saeïdryl Ah, you're right it was 4! Updated with your suggestion – ovaltein Dec 8 '17 at 14:57
• "Peak Twilight" might be a reference to Winter. – Snow Dec 8 '17 at 15:49

Earth

I am the hidden land
Where man may not tread but wildlife can

Adam and Eve were promised to stay in the Garden of Eden
Not sure if they saw Earth before being sent on

The group spoke sin and thus went in
To rule over all within

2 persons is a group
They were exiled on Earth and now humans rule it

I'll work on the second paragraph later :)

• The Bible is a "classic novel" no ? (: – Saeïdryl Dec 8 '17 at 17:00