# A clock where the hour and minute hands are the same length

Your buddy Frankie sold you a shoddy clock: it keeps good time, but the minute and hour hands look exactly the same! Both of these hands move continuously, and there is no second hand.

How many times a day is it impossible to tell what time it is?

• Surely it's only possible to tell what time it is when the two hands are on top of each other? – Rand al'Thor Jun 26 '15 at 21:56
• When I saw this I though "I know this puzzle!" then realized I didn't. This isn't re-wording of "How many times do the hands cross?" is it!? – Bob Jun 26 '15 at 21:57
• How Many Clock Hand Positions Swap to a Valid Position? Maybe you know it from there? – A. P. Jan 7 '18 at 22:17

When the hour hand has moved $x$ degrees around the clock from the top, the minute hand has moved $y = 12x$ degrees. If the time is still a valid configuration when the hands are switched around then $x = 12y$ as well.

Therefore, we want the values of $x, y$ that satisfy the following two equations:

\begin{align} 12x &\equiv y \pmod {360} \\ 12y &\equiv x \pmod {360} \end{align}

Conveniently, this reduces to $x \equiv 144x \pmod {360}$ or $143x \equiv 0 \pmod {360}$, so whenever the hour hand moves exactly $x/143$ of the way around the clock where $x$ is an integer, it's impossible to tell which hand is which.

There's just one problem, though. The above doesn't take into account the times when the hour and minute hands are in the exact same position, in which case it doesn't matter which hand is which. This occurs whenever $x \equiv 12x \pmod {360}$, or $11x \equiv 0 \pmod {360}$. Naturally this is a total of 11 times, so there are $143 - 11 = 132$ times when the time is actually ambiguous in a 12-hour period, making it $264$ times a day.

• Can you work out what those times actually are? – Bob Jun 26 '15 at 22:17
• @Bob, Starting from noon, every 5 minutes and 2.0979 seconds or so, except for those times when the hands overlap. – Joe Z. Jun 26 '15 at 22:18
• I think I understand the calculations. But even I know whether it is midday or early evening (most of the time :D). How many time a day do think the ambiguity would actual matter to working out what the correct time must be? – Bob Jun 26 '15 at 22:28
• Or trim the hand that moves slowest. LOL – Bob Jun 26 '15 at 22:30
• This all presumes our measurement methods are accurate enough, of course. – Engineer Toast Jun 26 '15 at 23:07