Timeline for Magic: the Gathering - Goblin Horde
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| Dec 22, 2015 at 23:43 | comment | added | Zerris | I'm definitely a fan of open ended scoring for all kinds of puzzles - often, somebody will find a solution that's better than the intended one, and I think that creativity should be rewarded. Of course, that's also why the restrictions make it interesting - otherwise, the same cards tend to show up in every speed solution. For example, it looks like Grenzo is one of the best creatures in Legacy if your goal is to go infinite from no base with a stacked deck. | |
| Dec 22, 2015 at 18:02 | comment | added | Ninety-Three | @Zerris Jesus, turn 1. Before I post my next challenge, do you have an opinion on whether it's better to leave the scoring this open-ended, or should I put the challenge in terms of "It's possible to win/go infinite on turn X, find the solution that does so while using as few cards as possible?" | |
| Dec 22, 2015 at 16:34 | comment | added | Zerris | Wait, got it! Grenzo to the rescue again. | |
| Dec 22, 2015 at 1:26 | comment | added | Zerris | Also, with Mons's Waiters, I can do a turn 1.5... but only if I get to have five of each card in my deck, rather than four. It's that close: i.imgur.com/5GFsQds.png | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 18:36 | comment | added | Zerris | I think it depends on the exact meaning of "play all cards as written", but I would agree with you. R&D's secret lair doesn't look like it can do anything more broken than that - Kuldotha Rebirth is the only interesting spell we gain access to, and exploiting it requires also having a Great Furnace. So I think it's just Cheatyface that's a problem... at least, for this puzzle. | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 18:31 | comment | added | Ninety-Three | @Zerris Now that's a bridge too far. "You have to pay the mana cost" isn't errata on Panglacial Wurm, it's on the card as written. Wurm says "you may play it", it's basic Magic rules that "you may play it" is different from "you may play it without paying its mana cost". I suppose you could define all changes to the comp rules as errata, but I doubt you could freecast the Wurm under Alpha rules. Heck, Alpha rules would probably choke and die the moment you tried to cast a card from your deck while resolving another spell. | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 18:22 | comment | added | Zerris | Alternatively, for an even cheatier idea: T0 - Gemstone Mine, exiling anything. T1.5 - R&D's Secret Lair > Akki > Skirk > Sac both for RR > Goblin Tutor (using R&D to ignore the errata to your own puzzle) rolling anything other than a 1 (now ignoring your errata about chance) thus searching our library - use this to put four Panglacial Wurms into play (ignoring Wurm's rules update about paying casting cost, and counting it as a goblin because goblin is in the flavor text, ignoring puzzle errata again), followed by casting Burst of Speed (with goblin in the flavor text again), swinging for 36. | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 17:31 | comment | added | Ninety-Three | @Zerris Hah, good loophole. Mark Rosewater (Un Rules Manager) has said that Cheatyface is only able to be snuck in from your hand, but he seems to be the only person in the world who interprets the card that way. | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 17:26 | comment | added | Zerris | Well, in that case, I make a deck consisting of 60 Mountains. Then, during the mulligan decisions, I put infinite Cheatyfaces into play. My opponent takes no non-required game actions, so they fail to catch me. These were under my control at the beginning of my first turn, so I swing and attack for infinite on Turn 1 on the play. Note that our Land/Goblin restriction only applies to the deck, and Cheatyface was never in my deck. This is also what allowed me to have more than four of them without being a deck construction violation. | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 16:55 | comment | added | Ninety-Three | @Zerris Hey, the Waiters are goblins aren't they? Under the restriction of "Lands and goblins", I don't think there's anything special we can do with the Un sets, the only relevant cards are the Waiters and City of Ass. I suppose T1 City, Prospector, T2 City, Frogtosser, Mogg slightly imrpoves the T2 precombat solution, and "No Un cards" is generally a good rule, but was there something particularly broken you were thinking of? | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 15:01 | comment | added | Zerris | Mons' isn't legal, though, unless we want to allow some truly broken things. | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 13:07 | comment | added | Ninety-Three | @Zerris I can get a little further than that but I"m still stuck spinning my wheels. Gemstone (any), Tomb, Akki, Skirk, Mogg, Mogg, Ringleader, Mons's Goblin Waiters and I'm left with RR, Prospector, 3 cards in hand. Can't go mana positive before running out of cards. It's so close, this is going to drive me crazy. | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 5:17 | comment | added | Zerris | The T1.5 kill of: Gemstone (exile any) > Tomb > Akki > Skirk > Sac Akki > Mogg > Sac Mogg > Lackey > Kicked Bushwhacker > attack, put Ringleader in play > Sac Lackey, Bushwhacker, Ringleader > Mogg > Sac Mogg > Warchief > Mogg > Sac Mogg > Ringleader > Sac Ringleader > Mogg > Sac Mogg > Krenko, tap for 3 > Sac Krenko and 2 > Krenko, tap for 4 > Sac Krenko and 5 > Ringleader > Krenko, tap for 4 > sac Krenko and 2 > Krenko, tap for 6 > Sac Krenko and 6 > Kiki-Jiki > Lightning Crafter > Victory... is exactly one card off, which makes me very sad (you'd need an opening hand of 8 cards somehow). | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 1:27 | comment | added | Ninety-Three | I found almost exactly your pre-combat combo, only I didn't use Frogtosser so it went T1 Mountain, Prospector, T2 Ancient Tomb, War Marshal, Warleader - etc. | |
| Dec 20, 2015 at 22:55 | comment | added | Zerris | I'm curious - was your infinite combo one of mine, or something else entirely? | |
| Dec 20, 2015 at 22:45 | vote | accept | Ninety-Three | ||
| Dec 19, 2015 at 6:57 | answer | added | Zerris | timeline score: 5 | |
| Dec 19, 2015 at 5:16 | answer | added | orp | timeline score: 1 | |
| Dec 19, 2015 at 4:01 | answer | added | Roland | timeline score: 1 | |
| Dec 19, 2015 at 0:54 | history | asked | Ninety-Three | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
